Assad: Hamas Has Betrayed Us Repeatedly, But…

An image grab taken from a video shows an opposition fighter firing an rocket propelled grenade (RPG) on August 26, 2013 during clashes with regime forces over the strategic area of Khanasser, situated on the only road linking Aleppo to central Syria. (Photo: AFP - Salah al-Ashkar)

By: Elie Chalhoub

Published Monday, October 14, 2013

Damascus – It is remarkable how much Russia occupies the strategy of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. He seems very reassured by the Russian role, but stresses that the Russians are not defending Syria as much as they are ultimately defending themselves.

During a recent meeting with visitors at the presidential palace, including Al-Akhbar, Assad recalls a meeting he held in 2005 with President Vladimir Putin. At the time, the Syrian president told his host that he felt the Cold War still existed. Putin agreed, but tackled the question from a different angle: “True, it is a war,” he said, “but it is a cultural war between the East and the West.” This is a conviction that the Syrian president shares.

Assad believes that Syria’s security and stability can be protected by politics over weaponry. He reckons that international equilibrium is the best guarantee, citing the three Russian-Chinese vetoes during the Syrian crisis as proof.

The Syrian president does not regret giving up chemical weapons. He maintains that their capacity for deterrence has expired for three reasons: First, Syria’s missile arsenal has made huge strides, so deterrence can now be established from the first moments of the war. This, he said, eliminated the need for chemical weapons, which can only be used as a last resort if the enemy deploys nuclear weapons.

Second, Assad continues, huge progress has been made in the past two decades in countering the military effectiveness of chemical weapons, meaning, their effect is largely psychological.

For example, the Syrian president went on to say, whenever there is a spike in tension, we see Israel distributing gas masks to its scared citizens, but when the weapons are used, their effects can be treated with relative ease. The proof, Assad purports, lies with the five Syrian soldiers who, hurt in an opposition attack using chemical weapons, were treated with shots and quickly returned to the battlefield.

Consequently, Assad says that Syria suspended production of chemical weapons in 1997, replacing them with conventional weapons, which he believes are the decisive element in the battlefield. Assad explains that he built the armament structure of his army based on missiles, saying, “It is enough to lay down fire on Israel’s airports to paralyze it,” since, as is known, Israel’s strength lies with its air force.

Third, chemical weapons are obsolete because the war is now internal.

No doubt, there was a moral and political loss in handing over the chemical weapons, according to Assad. In 2003, Damascus proposed ridding the Middle East of all weapons of mass destruction. Syrian chemical weapons were a bargaining chip whose price was the Israeli nuclear weapons arsenal. But today, the price has changed. It was agreed that the Syrian chemical weapons would be handed over in return for sparing the country a Western military strike.

Even the manufacture of conventional weapons, which was aimed at countering Israel, is now aimed at internal enemies, which can be counted as another loss, Assad says. Regarding the Nobel Peace Prize awarded recently to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Assad quips, “The prize should have been mine.”

Goodbye, Geneva

Assad does not believe that Geneva II will be held, even if scheduled for November. Perhaps the proposed peace conference will be held only to appease Russia, which is seeking to ward off the specter of war.

Assad says that Syria has no qualms attending, and that its only demand is clear and based on two principles: elections and ending support for terrorists. “Whenever we kill 1,000 terrorists, 2,000 more terrorists enter the country,” Assad says.

The West’s problem, according to the Syrian president, is that the faction it supports is fragmented and has no control on the ground. The Free Syrian Army (FSA) is almost done for, he says. Its fighters have either abandoned it to join Islamic groups, or have joined the government and are now fighting in the ranks of the Syrian army. Nothing is left of the forces supported by the West and the Gulf except terrorists, who have no place in Geneva II, Assad adds.

The problem, from Assad’s point of view, lies with the other side, specifically the West. Those that the West can bring to the conference, he says, have no control on the ground, and as for those who have control on the ground, the West has no influence over them. He recalls that Lakhdar Brahimi came to him one time, carrying an American assessment stating that there were 2,000 militant groups fighting in Syria. When the Syrian president asked him what his own estimate was, Brahimi said 1,200. So, Assad asks: Who can control all these groups and guarantee they would implement any political agreement?

Foreigners Are Better Than the Arabs

Assad is bitter. “Not one Arab official has contacted us with a plan for mediation or for an Arab solution,” he says. The Arabs, he says, were always only an echo of their Western “masters,” if not worse.

The Syrian president adds that the West, despite all its flaws, “Always dealt with us more honorably than some Arabs.” Kofi Annan was honest and resigned, he remarks, while his Arab aides were not.

Assad stresses that this issue will be dealt with after the crisis. He does not want to handle it emotionally like Muammar Gaddafi did when he pivoted to Africa. Assad is adamant about Syria’s Arab identity, but does not see this as something necessarily linked to the Arab League. The framework of this identity, in practice and in form, shall be determined later, according to the president.

Progress on the Field

Assad seems reassured by the progress of military operations. He says the war follows a hit-and-run pattern, where his army regains control of some territories while losing others, and so on. However, Assad adds, if we consider the general course things have been taking, we would find that the Syrian army is clearly advancing.

In the same vein, the Syrian president highlights two particular problems: Daraa and the Jordanian front on the one hand, and the north, on the other hand. In the first, Assad says that fighters and weapons continue to flow from Jordan, regardless of whether this was being staged by the Jordanian regime or Gulf countries. As for the second, specifically in Aleppo near the border with Turkey, Turkish support has kept the front hot. “But the Turks have a problem now, after al-Qaeda seized the crossing,” Assad says, adding that there are no intractable problems in the rest of the regions.

Assad denies categorically the reports circulated a few days ago, holding that Abbas Zaki, member of Fatah’s central committee, had brought him a message from the new emir of Qatar. Interestingly, beyond the reporter’s question about this issue, Assad did not mention Qatar again in the interview. Khaled Meshaal and his team in Doha figured more in our conversation with the Syrian president, in fact.

Hamas’ ‘Betrayal’

The conversation moves to Hamas when the president is asked about the reports regarding Meshaal’s visit to Tehran, and whether Damascus, specifically the presidential palace, would be his next stop. But Assad is keen on clarifying everything in this regard, ending all equivocation.

First, Assad says that the Muslim Brotherhood, for 80 years, has been known for its opportunism and betrayal, but stresses that Damascus did not treat Hamas in the beginning as being part of the international Islamist organization. “The Europeans would come to us and ask what Hamas was doing here, and we would say that it was a resistance movement,” the Syrian president says, adding that only that capacity made Syria welcome and sponsor Hamas.

Assad says, “When the crisis began, [Hamas officials] claimed that they gave us advice. This is a lie. Who are they to give Syria advice? Then they said that we asked for their help, which is also not true. What business do they have in internal Syrian affairs?”

Later, the president of the World Federation of Muslim Scholars, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, made his insulting statements about Syria. Assad says, “Yes, we demanded that they take a stance. A while later, they came and said that they spoke with Qaradawi. We said that those who want to take a political stance should do so publicly. What value does a stance have if taken in closed rooms?”

Estrangement between Hamas and the Syrian regime ensued. Assad holds that Hamas ultimately decided to abandon resistance and to fully merge with the Muslim Brotherhood. He adds, “This was not the first time they had betrayed us. It happened before in 2007 and 2009. Their history is one of treachery and betrayal.” Assad then wished “someone would persuade them to return to being a resistance movement,” but says that he doubts this will happen. “Hamas has sided against Syria from day one. They have made their choice,” he adds.

Oddly, Walid Jumblatt and US Deputy Secretary of State William Burns suddenly slip into the conversation, when Assad is asked whether he would receive Meshaal. “Don’t rule out seeing Jumblatt here,” he jokes.

Assad then recalls how Burns came to visit him before the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Burns presented Assad with a list of demands to facilitate the military operations against Iran, including allowing US warplanes to cross Syrian airspace, telling him that no one would notice. Assad’s answer was simple: “You are a government with no principles, and you pursue your foreign policy on commercial bases. Give us a deal, and we will see if it is in our interests and we will show it to the Syrian people.”

Assad is clearly still wounded by Hamas’ actions. But he keeps the door open to all possibilities if Syria’s interests require making certain rapprochements. In the end, he says, politics is about both principles and interests.

Iraq: Relations Are Very Good

“[Iraq’s] stance has been very good from the beginning,” he says. Assad stresses that he’s not only talking about Baghdad, but also Iraqi Kurdistan. Though Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari expressed some extreme positions, Assad says, Iraq’s stance remains “very good.”

Meanwhile, Damascus has been closely monitoring the situation in Egypt. Assad asserts, “Egypt is the fortress of the Arabs,” saying that relations with Egypt are today better than they were, even under former President Hosni Mubarak.

Under Mubarak, Assad continues, “We considered the Egyptian Foreign Ministry the equivalent of the U.S. Department of State.” But interestingly, Assad said that relations with Egypt were never severed, even under deposed president Mohamed Mursi, revealing that the military and intelligence channels remained open with Egypt the entire time.

Saudi, the Tribal State

In the meantime, hostility and estrangement with Saudi Arabia continues. At the end of the day, Assad remarks, Saudi Arabia is nothing more than “a state of tribes and individuals.”

“Personal relations determine [policy], and when one person falls out with us, all of Saudi Arabia falls out with us,” he adds.

“The Saudis have been hostile to Syria for the past 20 to 30 years to begin with. What changed was the relationship with their master. When their master’s relationship with us is good, they are good with us. When their masters fall out with us, they become hostile to us. There is always the personal factor in Saudi policies,” he says.

With respect to Turkey, according to Assad, the problem is confined to the person of Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The Turkish people, Assad maintains, are opposed to Erdogan’s policies. Even President Abdullah Gul has started to publicly express his opposition to the policies of his prime minister, Assad purports, saying that Gul thinks that if Erdogan wants to gamble with himself, he should at least not gamble his entire political party, the Justice and Development Party (AKP).

The Secular State

Under no circumstances will Syria follow the Lebanese or Iraqi model, Assad proclaims. Syria is and will remain a secular state because this is the only suitable formula for cohesion in the country, which enjoys religious, sectarian, and ethnic pluralism, Assad says.

He asserts there should be no politicization of religion in Syria because this would simply be a recipe for disintegration. Religion, he went on to say, has its spiritual and humanitarian functions, praising the vital role played by patriotic clerics in maintaining the unity of the Syrian fabric and combatting takfiri ideas, especially the late Mohammed Saeed Ramadan al-Bouti, who was killed while doing this duty.

Economy: Some Self-Criticism

Assad speaks about the pressures currently faced by the Syrian economy. He says that the cycle of production, distribution, and trade had come to a halt, and though it has started spinning in the past two months, it has remained slow. The embargo and terrorism, he adds, have exhausted the Syrian economy and damaged the Syrians’ living standards.

He then stresses that his country did not – and will not – abandon the public sector, in addition to the private and hybrid sectors. Assad says that the reform package, dubbed a “social-market economy,” did not prove to always be balanced, saying that Syria rushed into policies tipped toward privatization, while the public sector was not developed.

Moreover, he says, the Syrian government focused on large investments when the Syrian economy should’ve focused on small- and medium-sized enterprises. Assad adds, “Our primary concern – now – is to preserve and develop the agricultural sector. In the end, more than 60 percent of the people are farmers, and perhaps more than 80 percent are farmers and workers.”

This article is an edited translation from the Arabic Edition.

Comments

Bashar al assad belongs in hell. This arrogant murderer is most likely a sociopath. He talks like a thug and acts like a thug. If it wasen't for hezballah, he wouldn't have survived. His army is a joke. He forgot when he was best friends with saudi arabia it seems, were they not a tribal society then? Hypocrite.

If it was not for the Saudi , USA , Qatar Turkey supporting AL Qaeda, Taliban , Wahhabi , ISIL subhuman terrorist dogs hardliner Islamic terrorist would not have been able to do what they are doing now , Go back to Tel Aviv or Wahhabi land or to the hell where you where spawned from .. USA is Allies with the Wahhabi's and are SUPPORTING the Syrian Massacre , Israel stated it prefers Al Qaeda in power in Syria over Damascus alliance with Israel's arch foe Iran ......who is the sociopath government here ?

And your Takfiri/Wahabbi friends beheading Christians are the nice guys.
People like you who praise the wicked and denigrate the good, are just a fine piece of work.
Elias; sounds Zio-Ogre.

That's a total strawman

The 'sources' for this interview are Lebanese political minions who visit Assad so that he does not feel acutely lonely.

When I got back from Iraq in 2005 my mentor when I was a law student gave me a half hour interview or audience (you know, a lawyer charges you by the hour, his time is a commodity). He was Jewish, a friend of Israel, but also a legal scholar, which means he questions the law. So he and I had a basic principle in common, and so he allowed me to get a law degree. The next year they changed the rules so he could not have done that.
In this interview he said one thing relevant here to this very good x-ray picture of Syrian affairs from Elie Chalhoub. He said that Iraq had 20-some million people and the US government thought it could manipulate Iraqi politics, while Israel had six million people or so and nobody could even understand its politics, not even Israelis. That statement did not seem relevant to me at the time but it may be the biggest fruit of that conversation and of this friendship, which has been "on hold" since that time, it seeming to him, perhaps, that he had said what he had to say.

So Syria is Assad, and he is managing well. He has help from Russia, which is Putin. If we looked at US/Israeli matters with the same degree of detail and honesty (looking for the main themes), we would say that the governmental shutdown in the US (today's headline on Russia Today: "Plan B: Central banks getting ready for financial Armageddon") is Israel's last gasp or last stand. MJ Rosenberg joked last month that Netanyahu would "defund Obamacare" in revenge for lack of support from Obama on Syria or Iran (and Obama did all he could on Syria).
This is the Masada Plan or the Samson Plan. Israel, let me clarify, is partly in Palestine and partly in the US, with elements scattered across Europe. If there is a leader of Israel nobody knows that person's name: I speculate it is a widow in a Chicago suburb, sort of a covert Imam. Modern Israel's policy has been from the first day to kill Arabs and build golf courses until God wakes up and then we all shall die. Maybe the only role of the leader is to announce the Last Day. This shutdown may be that announcement.
A tiny bit of evidence: MSN has a news headline from its NBC connection right now, that the stock markets have slid for five days in a row; but the Dow is 15,260. Last week it had dropped into the 14,000's. Suddenly it leapt up 360 points in one day, with no deal on the shutdown anywhere in sight. No mention of the miraculous leap in the headlines. Now, after a couple of days of twenty or fifty point daily drops, we get this cautionary headline. The propaganda machine of the Israel lobby, also known as the main stream media in the US, is apparently entirely disconnected from everything and is shooting darts in the dark. I explain that 360 point leap on one day last week as the Israel lobby's Wall Street branch's decision that the US public might be getting restless and needed some tranquilization. I've assumed for several years that Wall Street gnomes reserve a thousand point freedom of action for political purposes. My point is that this action is now unconnected to any political purpose. The lobby has disintegrated, and its default mode is Masada or Samson: pulling down the temple on its and our heads.
But I think what is happening in a deeper and longer lasting sense is that the vast majority of the people who make up the Israel lobby are abandoning it. (Just consider Obama's trouncing on the "attack Syria" gambit: despite AIPAC going all-out in his support, it could only have been the middle ranks of that same Israel lobby that could manage, literally, the successful resistance to Obama's call to arms. I state that dogmatically, even pontifically.) At the moment there is no clear rearrangement evident in US politics, and the two political parties will be the last places to show signs of a new arrangement via their official actions.
So it will be here now as it was in 1776-1783 when the American colonies separated themselves from the English king-in-parliament. The US small-c constitution did not change then (witness the retention of slave-owning) and it will not change now. What is happening is the removal of the autocrat figurehead. Now modern Israel, this transnational cult, has been for the US like the tsar was in pre-revolutionary Russia: the absolute power: but the difference is that the tsar was one man with his habits, his wardrobe, his ear-lobes, his hairline, his wife, his circle of friends, whereas the Israel lobby has been a lobby full of people, a crowd of people in a large room in a public building. There had been a consensus in the crowd, and now the consensus is evaporating, or let me correct myself: there had been an assumed consensus, about Masada-Samson, but barely one or two people in the crowd were actually prepared to take it that far. The rest regarded this as a marketing gimmick. But the power of the lobby was engineered on the basis of this Last Day, and so that Last Day has come upon us, but at the same time, it emerges, or will emerge, that the vast majority of these people do not want to destroy the US or the world. So they will leave, figuratively speaking, the large room in this public building, go to their respective homes, go to their places of employment, telephone their friends, do email, watch soccer games, and the day will soon come when Palestine is governed by a secular constitution, Jews, Judaism and Jewishness have resumed their separate and often discordant natures within the civil rights framework, and the US and the world will look back and wonder what flaw in the US large-C Constitution permitted this coup that governed the country autocratically for twenty years or so. Was it "money in politics"? Was it residual racism in the US national tradition? Was it apathy and venality among voters? Was it a historical opportunity (even Soviet Russia saw the value to a "Jewish state" in Palestine) that could not be let go, that was just too tempting?
We shall see about that, but I think, more to the point, we do see now: that time is past.

I cannot help but wonder as to why it was necessary to write an entire essay of nothing by 'chrisrushlau' concerning Israel and jews, when the article clearly speaks about the Hamas, Hezbollah and Syrian role on this ‘Love me, Love me not’ issue reflecting the betrayal of one group by another.
Of course the writer may have wanted to write a book and the reflections he will receive (if any) on what he presented will determine his future as a commentary writer. That’s all I have to say on this issue..

The definition of 'untruth' should become: Anything Elie Chalhoub writes.

Given that Elie Chalhoub only cited what Assad had said, it looks like anon accuses Elie Chalhoub in misreporting the words of Syrian prez. I doubt anon has any proof of it. After all, it was a meeting with another people as well.

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