1113965_discussion: who is next?

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Date 2011-02-11 23:30:13
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Iran failed -- we could go back and bring up those reasons why (overestimation of the protesters by themselves, underestimation of A-Dogg and his base, and no real foreign access into that base to manipulate loyalties). There was plenty of access to tweeters, but this didn't speak to the regime that stood solid and did not fracture.

Now in Egypt, there was extensive consultations between the military and foreign (the US) throughout the protests. We don't know what was told to whom, but we do know it was extensive. All this besides whatever the tweeters were sending in.

I'm not sure if in Tunisia there was as extensive consultations between the military calling it quits on Ben Ali and any outside pressure or consultations?

On 2/11/11 4:14 PM, Sean Noonan wrote:

One major thing about this- Cohen has been working on this for a long time. Maybe not revolutions per se (I don't know his motives), but in spreading free speech and political organization through social media. He was the one who told twitter not to stop service during Iran 2009.

Iran failed.

Tunisia and egypt had underlying causes that social media was used as a tool. (Read the Sweekly, blah blah blah). Maybe they have figured out now how to target things. But I think they are much more like CANVAS providing training and better tools, so when the right situation comes about they are ready to go.

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it would be pretty great to be able to fast-forward a couple of months and see who is next, and then walk it back. we all agree on that, we all agree on wanting to understand patterns.

maybe there's just some small group of twitting free-lancers who are eager to stir up social protest movements, maybe they have an agenda, maybe they're just looking for a huge rush even if it risks trouble like being blindfolded and beaten in some stank cell.

but if they're looking to stir up dissent among old-guard Arab regimes, and see where that goes as far as shaking them up, they won't be looking outside the Middle East, and they won't be looking at lower-ranking states. been there, done that.

On 2/11/11 1:26 PM, Bayless Parsley wrote:

Wait are you saying there is an intntnl conspiracy driving all this in a coordinated fashion?

On 2011 Feb 11, at 14:14, Mark Schroeder
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Just to look at it in another way. On the one hand, there are states that are facing revolutionary/successionist pressures and that we can monitor the protests there.

On the other hand, going off of Fred's thoughts of any Cohen/Google/WH thing going on -- who's higher in the ranking of significance that we could also look at as next? Tunisia was small-fry, to test out methods. Egypt was pretty big fry, and that was pretty successful timing-wise, less than 3 weeks. Going from Tunisia to Egypt to a chump state (say, Yemen) might not be the intention or desire. Not to rule those out -- protesters and their supporters will take what they can get -- and I'm not saying that protesting will get any easier (or success being likely) when going up in a ranking of significance, but now there are 2 case studies under the belt and next could be bigger and more juicy targets even if they will be difficult.

On 2/11/11 12:16 PM, Peter Zeihan wrote:

First Tunisia, now Egypt.

While obviously protests are key to all this, bear in mind that at least in the Egyptian case this is more an internal military succession issue than a revolution, so we need to examine other states in the same light.

Rather than respond to this thread, please start up new threads for each individual state that any of you think might be facing revolutionary/successionist pressure.

Pls funnel your initial thoughts through Bayless so that we only have one thread per country.

Remember: this is the question from all of our clients who are interested in the topic of Egypt.

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